Dear Tessa,
I think this paper went very well for me. I haven’t written very many papers in my lifetime and it was good to finally get one out on paper. There’s definitely a lot I need to work on but this was a good start for me.
One of the aspects that I need to work on is quoting. I am constantly afraid that I don’t have an adequate quote for what I’m trying to say. This may come from understanding the reading better and maybe taking quotes before the assignment comes out and writing about what it means. Maybe knowing the assignment while we do the readings, well in advance, might work.
Another thing that I need to work on is content. I feel that some of my points are very solid but for every point that I have I force myself to think of a million counter points that make me not want to write the paper. Maybe getting someone else’s opinion on the idea of my paper would help. The writing center is a resource that I should be using more for feedback.
One more thing that I think I should work on is my structure. I am very confident with the 3-paragraph essay layout but past that I am not confident in any writing setting. I’ve been writing some analyses as of late but I am still needing work on those. Writing center again!
All in all I think this paper was pretty good. Next time I would finish some of the parts early, and sparse out my time.
Sincerely,
Augie Cummings
Augie Cummings
Writing 105
Tessa Brown
10/30/13
Abstract
International students are a type of student on this campus. They come from all over the world to attend School. Maybe it’s the allure of a job in America after school, or maybe it’s the esteemed university of Syracuse that attracts them. Regardless they are all here, and a way to divide the students, if you must, is between students attending the university deriving from the United States of America, and students deriving from somewhere else on this earth. I originally thought, that by this division in the types of students that went here, you could define them both as discourse. Groups of people that formed individual discourse. As I conducted my interview process my definition of a discourse hardened and my thought of the international student discourse community was questioned. My goal with this project is to figure out whether or not they comprise a discourse community. I went about this by interviewing two potential members of this discourse community. I interviewed a sophomore named Jorge Eduardo Gomez. He is from Columbia in origin, but spent time at a school in Austria before coming to Syracuse. He speaks German, Spanish, and English. The other student that I interviewed is named En-Lei, but we call him Ray. He was born in Taipei, Taiwan, but moved to Long Island, New York, six years ago. He speaks both Mandarin Chinese and English. The interview with Jorge interview was briefer, and consisted of ten to twenty separate questions asking about where he is from and how he feels he fits in at Syracuse University. The other interview with En-Lei was longer, and was documented much better, also about how he fits in at Syracuse and about where he came from. It consisted of a recorded interview, a transcript of the interview, and 3 pieces of interaction with possible discourse members. In the interview with both of them, I found that international kids had a connection to one each other, but not enough to constitute a discourse community. The connection they shared was not deep enough to have a different set of speech, or a common set of goals. These two things are massive indices of whether or not a community comprises a discourse. The speech they had was now English, but it was the same as every other student attending the University. IN this paper I reference John Swales, heavily, as he is considered one of the senior experts on discourse communities, and speech communities. Based on his six criteria for being a discourse community, I prove that the international student discourse community does not follow the rules. Based on my paper, the international student discourse community does not exist here at Syracuse nor anywhere else in the Academic world.
Augie Cummings
10/15/13
Writing
Discourse
International Students are a set of students who are falsely believed to comprise a Discourse community. They do however share a bond. This is a bond of a struggle, a distance to overcome. The Distance of immigration, and the hopes of substantial assimilation to grow, thrive, and enjoy with a new culture. Heading into this project, I was quite certain that these students, having come from a place that is not here, that does not speak the same language originally, and that has seen and experienced another culture, surely set them apart in a group of their own. While this was true, I led my self to believe that this also was able to classify them as a discourse. After the interviews I conducted, I was able to come upon the conclusion, that based on the six rules and regulations set out by John Swales, International Students is not a discourse. In fact, some of these requirements were so off in describing this community, that it separated them even more than I had previously anticipated. So in this paper I will be discussing why International students are not to be considered a discourse community, and why some aspects of this group may be confused as being traits attributing them to such a group.
The first rule set out by John Swales is that a Discourse community shares a “broadly agreed upon set of common public goals” (Swales pg#471). To understand this rule we must first break it down. The first part of the rule that needs defining is the words “Broadly agreed upon.” This to me is trying to signify a basic principle that groups of people share but not necessarily for the same end. One may be part of an anthropological society of Massachusetts because they like history, and another because of their affinity toward the Wampanoag Indians. In the case of Jorge and En-lei, both being international students, agree upon the goal of learning in the United States. While this binds the two with a common goal it is not enough to make them a discourse. This is not different enough from the goals of everyone else at this school. In Kanye West’s song, We Don’t Care, he says, “Drug Dealing just to get by, stack ya’ money til’ it get sky high (West).” If you were from out of town but still new how to make a lot of money slinging yay (drugs), you wouldn’t necessarily be singled out into a different discourse community. You might be singled out, but for other reasons. The aspect to notice from this is that the true discourse is that everyone is selling drugs to get by. Just as all the Syracuse students are here to learn. Outside of that, international students are used to very different public goals from where they came from. They, and other international students, did not converge a new set of goals arriving here. With En-lei spending equal time in Taiwan and Long Island (En-Lei), and Jorge being mostly in Austria and Colombia (Gomez), splits them even further apart. This is not to say that they are the only two types of people that make up the population of international students. Many other students have come from Taiwan, Colombia, and similar places, but this again breaks down the idea of the international students discourse into smaller ones. “(I) Definitely have a connection with both other central European students (German speaking mainly) and have a stronger connection with Spanish-speaking students, specifically South Americans (Gomez).” Jorge is saying that he feels closer to students that are specific to certain international areas but feels more or less equally close to
The Second Rule set out by John Swales is that any given discourse has mechanism of communication between its members (Swales). This aspect was more easily disproved than the others. Many international students converse in their native tongue with other students that have the same original language. These again break down the international student discourse and put them into smaller ones. Samy Alim says that he subscribes to both the HHNSC and the BASC (Alim). These are two separate speech communities that are very much a part of their own discourse communities. They may over lap but you cannot clump them and make another discourse communities. With international speech communities you cannot do this either. Albeit, the lack of knowing English is a bonding factor. One of my interview subjects noticed a girl in his class that had trouble understanding and forming sentences. He immediately felt a sense of sympathy because he had gone through the same exact scenario. So, one could conclude that the lack of communication puts them in a group that constitutes a speech community. Both parties that are trying to converge on English will usually have the same coping strategies to communicate. This could be reverting to a translator or hand gestures, but nonetheless, its binds them. This is still not the requirement of the set of rules so it does not classify international students as a discourse.
The next rule is that a “discourse community uses its participatory mechanisms to provide information and feedback” (Swales pg#472). With in the international student community, there are no formal meetings that take place regularly. Besides a few gatherings when they arrived, such as testing and housing, there are no places or times in which they can meet to discuss. That is a task that is taken up by them if they should so please. There is no arena for them to provide feedback amongst each other. This is a bit of an awkward rule because of the fact that many discourse communities are not self affirming. This group is, but prefer not to be. Many of the international students, including one of the students I interviewed, do not like being clumped into this group. Many believe their country of origin is inconsequential. This is also still a group that does not share a goal so there would be nothing to provide feedback on or for.
The next rule is that a discourse community utilizes and hence possesses one or more genres in the communicative furtherance of its aims (Swales). To reiterate, international students do not have a separate goal from other students at the university. An individual might have a different goal education differing from the other students, but it’s not a broad, widely recognized goal with in this possible discourse.
The next rule is that each discourse has developed a set of lexical communication (Swales). As mentioned before, there might be a communication different from the American students, but this is a different discourse community as International Students. They may be able to talk about a visa and traveling for long periods of time, but this is not broad enough to classify them as a discourse community, or a speech community.
The last rule of a discourse community is that they have to have members in the group (Swales). This is the only criterion that this group passes. They do have enough members to split them apart from American students. This is perhaps the reason I originally thought that they could have been a discourse. Those are the first two types of students that you hear about when you get to a college campus. It is occasionally a statistic universities put up or other websites put up to show how many people not from the United States attend the college. This is also the least important and perhaps the most deceiving rule of a discourse. Deceiving because it is easy to skew numbers as a community, or one that is tightknit.
In conclusion, International students do not comprise a discourse community or a speech community. Based on all six of Swales rules of a discourse, passing only one out of the six criteria does not make them a discourse. Considering international students a discourse is an ignorant and narrow-minded plight. Diving a group of strangers makes them stranger when in fact they are much more like us than some of our fellow American students. Coming to Syracuse and trying to grow with a community is made quite difficult if a person is split from the beginning. Struggling to fit in with the students that are already here is not a trait that should push them away. “There is this girl in my math class; she doesn’t speak English well, she’s Asian, either from china and Taiwan and when she asks questions I can see her struggling and that’s exactly what I’ve been through 6 years ago and I’m really just able to relate to that and I have empathy (En-lei).” When En-lei saw that student in his class struggling to ask a question it immediately gave him sympathy because he had gone through the same thing. This is the kind of attitude people at Syracuse should have toward the international students, wanting to bring them in and make them feel comfortable in a country that is not their own. The interesting point that came out of these interview was another discourse community. The discourse community that has risen here is American students, and that is the discourse these new students are trying to assimilate into. America has its own discourse so its not very surprising that they have comprised a more specific community of students. This just goes to show that a discourse cannot come from a anti-discourse, of those “not,” something.
INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT
RAY
Yup?
Where you from?
Taiwan
Where in Taiwan?
Taipei, it’s the capital city
Since coming to Syracuse, what are some things you find different from home?
Um, Honestly, um, I moved to long Island 6 years ago so uh, to me, it’s not- I couldn’t really recall what exactly were the similarities and differences, but um here its obviously a lot more diverse in cultures and races and um, and that’s the biggest thing I noticed. the education resources you get here are just way more than you can get in Taiwan
How is Taiwan different and similar to here?
In Taiwan, I feel that a lot of the things we do is Modeling America, so it’s pretty similar, besides the language
Is there still a bit of the old culture in Taiwan?
Yea I mean a little bit um, its like a long time a go I cant really recall it
We, we in Taiwan we celebrate a lot of non-catholic stuff
So Taiwanese is a mix of traditional stuff and old Chinese holidays
Christmas?
Not really, but yea
Was that weird coming here (Having Christmas)?
No, I mean we had off on New Year, so its close enough
But we also celebrate Chinese New Year, so we have a whole new calendar
Last year I think it was February
It changes every year
A tendency or feeling we lack in America?
In Taiwan were more of a collective society so we admire more about the social harmony, where in America it’s more about individualism, right,
So I mean, its not that it’s just different
Feel more comfortable here or in Taiwanese culture
Honestly I feel more comfortable- it’s hard to say, I’ve spent the same amount of time in Taiwanese culture as America so I pretty much adapt the cultures the same amount, both have some good and bad things about it, but now I chose American, I see a better future
Of other International students, do you fell connection?
Yeah I mean I’ve been through the exact same thing their experience now. I can relate with the troubles their going through now with the transfer students.
How?
There is this girl in my math class; she doesn’t speak English well, she’s Asian, either from china and Taiwan and when she asks questions I can see her struggling and that’s exactly what I’ve been through 6 years ago and i’m really just able to relate to that and I have empathy.
You think they feel isolation?
In Syracuse we have a lot of, um, people from all over the world, so their case is a little different from mine because I moved to long island into which was an all white community. So I wasn’t able to find any Chinese friends or a group of Asians to hang out with. So here they will still face some difficulties but they have the opportunity to hang with people from their own country, with the same culture and same language. So we’ll help them adopt the American culture
What languages do you speak?
Mandarin Chinese, and English
Bibliography
Swales, John. “The Concept of Discourse Community.” Writing about writing: a college reader. Ed. Doug Downs, and Elizabeth Wardle. Boston: Bedford/St. Martins, 2011. 466-80. Print.
Alim, H. Samy. “How the Other Half Speaks.” You know my steez: an ethnographic and sociolinguistic study of styleshifting in a Black American speech community. Durham, N.C.: Duke University Press for the American Dialect Society, 2004. 45-53. Print.
Kanye West. “We Don’t Care.” College Dropout. Roc-A-Fella Records
En-Lei. Personal Interview. 10 2013.
Gomez, Jorge. Personal Interview. 10 2013.